IT'S FASHIONABLE to denigrate the presidential debates as dueling canned speeches, not the rough-and-tumble of "real debate." Debate-bashing, indeed, may be nearly as popular as convention-bashing.

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A second presidential logo was revealed Monday as part of ASU and Tempe's preparation for the 2004 presidential debate. While the primary 2004 debate logo -- a seal with an American flag in the center ...